Comments on: Symfony: What is it good for?

By: Peng

Peng — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:26:05 +0000

Great site and great photos. Very impressed with the geekery and beauty.

By: ErisDS

ErisDS — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:42:15 +0000

Of course? Please contact me via Twitter DM or my contact form with your email address & I will get in touch :)

By: Dennis Gearon

Dennis Gearon — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:50:29 +0000

ErisD, how about I send you the whole project? Then you could take a look at it for me?

By: Rizwan

Rizwan — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:12:45 +0000

Hi,

Can you enlist how Symfony is better than Cake which gives the same functionality

By: ErisDS

ErisDS — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:00:39 +0000

I’d be interested to see your file. The Symfony documentation is not particularly well explained it is true.

Also I meant to add in reply to this:

“I may later switch to Zend Framework – it seems to have more open source development structure in its community and is getting more hits on all the development websites.”

Zend has some really nice bits: Lucene Search, the Mail component. Symfony makes use of these components instead of reinventing the wheel and doing it’s own bits and instead concentrates on making it as easy as possible to get your application of the ground. Granted it’s really not all that simple at the moment and requires a LOT of learning, but once you get the basics of forms & routing under your belt you’re armed and good to go on any project.

By: Dennis Gearon

Dennis Gearon — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:54:11 +0000

Early end to Habitat assignment. The problem that I had was that there seemed to be something wrong with the routing as I interpreted the directions. When I changed the routing file for the ‘token’, and then drilled down through the design to edit any individual job listing, I got an error for bad routing related to no route for ‘id’ based display. Sooo, I’m going to start over again, but keep comparing my results to the svn repository. Yes, I did make the mistake of putting and underscore ‘_’ seperated prefix to ‘position’. If I do this again with postgresql, I will just change it to ‘jposition’ (as ‘Java’ as that sounds :-).

By: Dennis Gearon

Dennis Gearon — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:45:22 +0000

I will get back to you on this by the end of monday. I realize this is an Interent Eternity, but busy with habitat for humanity.

By: ErisDS

ErisDS — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:01:49 +0000

@Xavier Luthi Your question is a very good one. I will respond again later with an in depth answer. @Zoja Thanks for your comment, I am always pleased to meet other Symfony fans :) @Dennis Gearon Oh yes, sooo many layers. So much stuff I haven't touched yet. I've really gotten to grips with Forms & Validation, but I'm still working on routing and other aspects. Regarding the use of the word "Position" does it really still cause problems when it is together with another word like "JobPosition"? I use MySQL so wouldn't know. If it is the case you can't really change it to "job_position" because the naming convention in Symfony for models is Camelized so yes you will run into problems. Try changing it to "JobRole" everywhere you find "JobPosition" and it should all work the same. Regarding having problems with the forms at days 10/11. I would be very interested to hear more about that to see if I can't clarify some of where they go wrong. I am planning to write my own tutorial, specifically focusing on the forms as I feel the Symfony docs don't go deep enough. If you get in touch via Twitter DM or my Contact form perhaps we can talk more about this? To everyone else reading this, I'd love to hear about any problems you've had with Symfony, the docs or the Jobeet tutorial :)

By: Dennis Gearon

Dennis Gearon — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:59:23 +0000

Yes, the learning curve is pretty intense. Logically, I understand the basic premise, but there are so many layers involving routing, forms, validation, and other aspects, one could build something with it and barely touch its power. (Maybe some of the power isn’t needed ;-) I can’t seem to get past day 10 of jobeet. There are sometimes when they don’t give specific enough directions on modifying files and one mistake can make the whole project not work. Sooooooo, I”m going to start over, again, and load their predone versions of the tutorial and see if they work and compare them to what I am doing. ONE THING – ‘postion’ is a reserved keyword in my favorite database engine – PostgreSQL. I tried to change the tutorial to use ‘job_position’, but the scaffold generation changes this different ways in different places and makes it hard to chase down the required edits, (JobPosition, job_position, jobPosition, etc.) So I’m going to bite the bullet and install MySQL for the demo. It’s too bad they made the demo on the old LAMP standby. I feel MySQL’s days are on the way out for free, QUALITY, ROBUST, applications. PostgreSQL was always more robust and has caught it everywhere else since about 3 years ago. I’m looking forward to getting a handle on Symfony, that’s for sure. I may later switch to Zend Framework – it seems to have more open source development structure in its community and is getting more hits on all the development websites.

By: Zoja

Zoja — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:25:34 +0000

A good article about Symfony :) Good to see another fan of my favourite framework :)